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    ***SPOILERS AHEAD - PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK***


    Today, for the first time since May 13, 2005, Starfleet's mission to explore strange new worlds will officially resume on television sets across America and the globe. This is a day many fans of Star Trek have been looking forward to (and others not so much). Many will be waiting for the entire season to be released, and others perhaps not at all. We at Bravo Fleet want to encourage everyone to watch however it suits you best. For those that who are watching it, this thread is your place to talk about EVERYTHING you've seen. Hold nothing back, as the very title of this thread warns all who enter here that spoilers await!
    Last edited by greenfelt22; 09-24-2017, 07:57 PM.

  • #2
    I watched the pilot with hesitation. I really have not liked what CBS and Paramont have done to its fan base. Mostly ignored them. I had and still have no desire to get the CBS all access to watch it. The look of the episode was very much like the recent movies, lenses flare and all.

    I hope that everyone watches the pilot, for what it was intended, to be enjoyed. One criticism is the Klingon language. It sounds different that done in other series. I don't want to even get started on their appearance. I would have liked to have seen the trick pulled in 'Hunt For Red October', where the verbal dialog switches from Russian to English. I really detest needing to read text at the bottom of the page. I mis watching the details on the screen during that time.
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    • #3
      I really loved the first two episodes of Discovery. Saru has become my favourite already and I'm excited to learn more about him and where he comes from. Also, Tellarites were mentioned!

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      • #4
        It was beautiful, well produced, well written and is brilliantly acted. None of the cast are the equal of Sir Patrick Stewart (although Michelle Yeoh does come very close at times). I positively love Jason Isaacs as Captain Lorca, and I am glad that we are finally seeing some Vulcan cool. The attention to detail is phenomenal.

        The pilot episodes stand well as a discrete story, and episode 3 (Context is for Kings) is a bit like the Battlestar Galactica episode "33" in that this is where we feel a bit of a reset after the initial (spectacular opening) and get a sense that this is going to set the pace for the rest of the series.

        The architecture of the ship, the Discovery, was a pleasant surprise -- it does seem far more beautiful and "Star Trek" like in Episode 3 than it does in any of the trailers. I also love the mystery of what is going on on the Discovery and look forward to finding out what other secrets she holds.

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        • #5
          Mid-season break, and I can deliver my comments:

          It's an excellent show. Worth every penny of a subscription to CraveTV - Canada has odd distribution rights of Star Trek - and I find myself thoroughly entertained. Mudd is a show-stealer, as per usual. Staments is a great character. Burnham is... well, all right as a character, but not spectacular. Saru is legendary. I wish Georgiou was the regular captain, though.
          You just read my post.

          And now you are reading my signature.

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          • #6
            OK here are some of my thoughts on Discovery

            I have enjoyed Discovery It is nice to see trek on the small screen again and while I have reservations about the Klingon redesign I think the one thing I could not forgive them for is calling one of the new Klingon ship designs a D-7 when it looked nothing like the TOS D-7 Could have called it almost anything but a D-7 and it wouldn't have been bad. All in all that is a minor quibble no matter my personal feelings on it.

            All in all a great show with beautiful designs even the Discovery, all though she will never win any beauty contests. Kind of a so guy its cute thing. For a trek tech nerd such as my self the new ships and equipment have been making it fun to watch on top of the great story line. The Shenzhou being my favorite new ship design.

            Also it is nice to see a show that focuses on a character that is not the Captain.

            Bringing Mudd back was risky. He might have not been in TOS a lot but he did make an impression on the fans when he was there. This younger version of Mudd has been as fun as we all recall and I am hoping that he is not done in Discovery.

            Of all the characters I think Staments has become my favorite with Tilly a close second. I wish Captain Gergiou had been around longer it would have been nice to see what more they could do with her.


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            • #7
              .. and then THIS ends HERE? Surely there's another page ...

              " ... they deserve so much more ... "
              -Doc Bev

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              • #8
                Okay, well anyway. Dennis , I was annoyed by the closed captioning as well, but then I realized that if I considered the way it made me feel, then maybe that's the feeling that was being conveyed. I felt a sense of disorientation trying to watch the beautiful acting and stare at the amazing background material, focus on the words, listen to the Klingon, stave my general excitement because I was watching Star Trek (which is soooo frakking cool, by the way) and oh yeah, follow the story. Turns out that at the time, I was only able to actually do two or three of those things at a time. It was exciting, fascinating, terrifying (omg what are they doing with my Klags), off-putting, and exhilarating all at once. Maybe that was the intention.

                There was also something else I felt: I wished I had taken the past twenty years to learn Klingon, so I could feel more like an insider at that moment. In reality, for the most part, the Klingon could have been made up. I don't know Klingon. I know what it sounds like -- but if I had only decided to learn it instead of just skimming the dictionary for ways to construct dirty and silly phrases in High School, then I would have felt like an insider. I would have felt, maybe, part of it -- i could have approved or denied the producers' (TWENTY?!?!? Why?) use of the language. Matter of fact, it would have felt like mine -- it would have given me the same tingle I had when Georgiou told me why the eye-thing with Lorca had bothered me all this time, which was <start italics>because I knew it</close frelling italics>. If I had known Klingon, I would have felt, maybe -- the other part of the scene. Part of the club. It would have meant that me wandering around my apartment occasionally blurting out "Klingon mach tah jaj!" #1 would have many more words added to it, and #2, it would have a different feeling attached to it.

                Seems to me that's what they're doing here. They're making me feel a whole frakload of a frelling lot.

                So aaanyway, back to the Klingon language thing --> maybe that's what you're supposed to feel: disoriented, apprehensive, still drawn to be there, to be that same explorer I was back in the 24th century. Nowadays, it's more engaging. I have to be intrepid. I have to be ready as frak for anything, and pay close attention to everything.

                I bet that's how Michael Burnham feels.
                I bet that's how Saru feels.

                I bet if you don't feel like that, you might get your head twisted the frell off.

                Please, my friends. Talk to me about this: my therapist doesn't watch Star Trek (and my sim needs the fuel of my burning excitement). Stoke!

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                • #9
                  Annoyingly, Shannon , I'm going to converse with you in a temporally disjointed way which is going to be annoying. Ready? Here we go:


                  Shannon: OK here are some of my thoughts on Discovery

                  davidjosephmoody: Awesome. Cant wait. Is this response frivolous? Probably. But just to give you some sense of how this is going to go ... um, it'll be thusly.

                  Shannon: I have enjoyed Discovery It is nice to see trek on the small screen again and while I have reservations about the Klingon redesign I think the one thing I could not forgive them for is calling one of the new Klingon ship designs a D-7 when it looked nothing like the TOS D-7 Could have called it almost anything but a D-7 and it wouldn't have been bad. All in all that is a minor quibble no matter my personal feelings on it.


                  davidjosephmoody: You are eight thousand percent correct, and it's not a minor tribble. It's a huge, big honking annoyance that's unfortunately not going to go away, because now they've made it canon. They could have called the thing LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE and I would have been cool. D6, fine. D8, cool. D7.5, awesome. D14/2, Dsqrt49, Even D3+4 would have been preferable. Hell, why not just call it a "WOLF of Prey"? Isn't that the new Klingon theme? Anyone notice the birds are kinda gone from the Klingon iconography (thanks for using that phrase on screen, cool computer voice lady, btw -- it sounded frakking cool) -- and that we're not using a Wolf/Dog metaphor? Well that makes sense. Let slip the dogs of war, the quote, the book, the tv show -- NICE! Okay, so what they've done is decided to stop the TOS-born confusion between Klingon on Romulan (wait for it) Iconography. Maybe the V-skulls will get the birds (since they're FPOR them anyway) and the Klingons can be the loyal, amazing, ferocious canine-baring architects of honorable combat they're supposed to be ... or maybe .... MAYBE ... they redevelop their stuff after some Romulan influence (seeing as how maybe the Romulans are sucking their minty wounds after the Romulan war, and then the Klags get punished, so they band together and ... oh!!! Maybe the whole bird thing just hasn't happened yet, and these damn disrespectful Romulan came in and had a hand in later changing designs so that .... tangent? Yeah. STD does that to me. I know. I don't give a frak. I'm still calling it STD. It's hilarious.

                  Shannon: All in all a great show with beautiful designs even the Discovery, all though she will never win any beauty contests. Kind of a so guy its cute thing. For a trek tech nerd such as my self the new ships and equipment have been making it fun to watch on top of the great story line. The Shenzhou being my favorite new ship design.

                  davidjosephmoody: Were you born on the same day as me? Do we have the same Mom? Why do we love the Shenzhou? Why did I print out a beautiful painting someone did of it on DeviantArt and post it in my bedroom above my TV? And yo. Discovery's frelling awful looking. Unfortunately, she does that so f... OMG I soo wanna say it! That so fun and cool (close, right?) turn flip tumble thing that so makes up for it, the damn ship could look like an ostrich, for all I care. Just keep her flip-turn spinning, and we're good! (But David, you know the network has to die, right?)

                  Shannon: Also it is nice to see a show that focuses on a character that is not the Captain.

                  davidjosephmoody: Uh, yeah ... that was cool for like um, nine episodes. Are we gonna do that again sometime? So get this funny as frakk drin: EVERYBODY is a frakking CAPTAIN now!!! Let's start with Voq, before another Captain, Kol (or is it Kor?) took it from him. Then we pepper in Killy, Burnham, Saru, Lorca ... so much for not focusing on a Captain. Instead we're focusing on several!! LOL! They're KILLING me!

                  Shannon: Bringing Mudd back was risky. He might have not been in TOS a lot but he did make an impression on the fans when he was there. This younger version of Mudd has been as fun as we all recall and I am hoping that he is not done in Discovery.

                  davidjosephmoody: Were you trying to say overdone? I eight thousand percent agree. I think I had just barely too much of him in Magic ... like if the episode had done ONE MORE loop, or been TEN minutes longer. Twenty out of twenty producers agree: we all had exactly enough.

                  Shannon: Of all the characters I think Staments has become my favorite with Tilly a close second. I wish Captain Gergiou had been around longer it would have been nice to see what more they could do with her.

                  davidjosephmoody: Let me finish by saying that Michael's my favorite character ... I mean, because of her character. Saru though ... very intriguing, and I love that Burnham ate his ganglia: You guys, that was so fun and cool. NOT. Then of course, there's Ariam. Who doesn't wanna know WTF is up with Ariam? Also, the guy with the voice on the bridge ... dark skinned guy in the back? His voice makes me throw stuff at my TV. Every time he talks, I wonder if he's either a) pretending like he's saying "Previously, on Lost" every time, or if he's simply Michael Dorn's nephew. I miss Culber


                  Thanks for the chat, Shannon !!

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                  • #10
                    The "clop" sound that Saru makes. OMG, like someone clucking their tongue. Soooooo not alien but alien. Is that him stamping his feet like a toddler?

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                    • #11
                      ... and unbeknownst to me, Rainn Wilson saying "No, I'm Mudd"? I needed that in my life. I didn't know until I saw it, but boy am I a better person for having witnessed that little bit of wit.

                      Oh! Oh! Oh! Saru -- excuse me, First Officer Saru -- excuse me, Captain Saru: Sheldon Cooper in Space. Discuss.

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                      • #12
                        Tom Good call on the series rebooting at "33". Funny how many BSG references there are. It wasn't until watching "Vaulting ... " again last night (third time, thanks for asking), that I realized they even stole the frakking uniforms! They did not steal the vulgarities, however BSG invented the true art of the excessively distant draw in, but oh boy did Discovery take it to the logical next level and come through the window? Boy howdy yes they did. Anyone who doesn't do it at this point is a frelling amateur.

                        Speaking of visual effects along that mein, I think maybe I don't like the shuttlebay. I wish I didn't know it was all 100% CGI, maybe I wouldn't even notice. But since I know, I know, and it's not so poifect. Hmph.

                        Blaaack Alert. Blaaack Alert.

                        that is all

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                        • #13
                          I do like what davidjosephmoody stated about making one feel. I as yet have not seen Discovery past the pilot, but have read from several sources, that they get the feeling that the production was intended to be different on purpose and not the same ‘old trek’, so that it could be new and different.

                          As for the Klingon Language, I’m very curious now to get an opinion from those that or ‘geekified’ enough to have learned Klingon over the years. I wonder what their perspective on Discovery’s use of the Klingon language might be.

                          Anyone fluent in Klingon out there?
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